Wednesday, May 9, 2007

Emmett Hanger's economic model - New Jersey?

The moment I saw STD make reference to Hanger's mantra on taxes ("The purpose of tax reform is to emphasize sales tax and income tax and take the burden off of real estate tax"), the blood drained from my face, my heart nearly stopped dead, and the warnings clanged in my brain: I've heard this nonsense before, where I grew up.

Unlike the overwhelming majority (I think) of the B4S roster, I am not a native Virginian. My "formative" years (before college) were spent in a suburban township in northern New Jersey. More to the point, every single tax increase I ever witnessed in the state of my birth has been justified by a spurious claim to lower property taxes. The theory goes like this - the more revenue the state raises, the more it spends; the more the state spends, the less the local government has to spend; the less the locals have to spend, the less they have to tax.

When said like that, it sounds marginally logical. Of course, what they leave out is that this depends on the frugality of locally elected officials. If the locals are willing to spend money like water, then the entire notion collapses under its own heftier tax bills.

This may also explain why nearly every local official is coming out for Hanger: this tenuous link between state and local taxes give all of them cover to spend like drunken sailors, while Hanger blames anti-taxers for "forcing" said locals to tax and spend.

Of course, as in New Jersey, local officials down here never seem to get enough state money to slow down their own profligacy.

Meanwhile, I would also note with amusement that Hanger's argument focuses only on lowering (in theory) real estate taxes, for if he had said property taxes, then it would have brought the personal property tax (i.e., the "car tax") into the discussion.

There, Hanger and his tax-hiking buddies didn't help local officials and taxpayers, but shafted them. While most have focused on the income and sales tax hikes, the 2004 tax soak also included a ceiling on the amount headed to localities to cover the local car tax (it was suppose to rise in order to maintain a 70% car tax reduction in all localities). In particular, the legislation froze the amount for each county and city, regardless of the future increase in car prices or population. This means Valley voters (and, although it means far more to me than to others here, the Fredericksburg area) will see their car taxes go up nearly every single year - precisely because Hanger et al did the exact opposite of what they claim they wish to do. Rather than increase state funds for supposed local tax cuts, Hanger, Warner, et al left the locals high and dry.

However, Hanger's excuse is still valid for local officials, so they're sticking with him.

This gives a new dimension to this campaign. Electing Scott Sayre will not only send a message to Richmond to keep taxes low, but also to local officials: namely, that they can no longer jack up spending and expect the voters to blame Richmond for it.

211 comments:

  1. DJ:
    That is the best post on B4S to date, Bravo! Bravo!

    That is game, set, match on the tax issue...

    ReplyDelete
  2. DJ, thanks for the comparisons. That puts it in perspective that is eye-opening and scary all at the same time.

    ReplyDelete
  3. DJ, you are correct. Look at the City of Staunton; frugality is not a word in their vocabulary. They just gave their residents one of the largest real estate tax increases in modern history.

    Hanger's logic simply doesn't ring true.

    ReplyDelete
  4. No doubt Elle:
    07' City of Staunton Tax rate $.94
    assessment increase 28%
    equalization rate $.74
    Rate adopted by council $.90
    Now how many of those council members ran on the platform of raising of raising Real Estate taxes $.16?

    Answer none...

    ReplyDelete
  5. I left NY because I was paying $8000 a year in property taxes. They went up from $3000 in 1994, when I bought the house. My services, as a regular citizen had not changed, but the illegal aliens at Home Depot got a really nice shelter.

    ReplyDelete
  6. You have to wonder about politicians. They forget what is really important to the people. In Waynesboro they r going to spend money on an old theater, but they have a problem with flooding. They need a new firehouse. So what are they going to do? Do it all and raise your taxes.That is a lack of leadership. We elected them to make the tough choices, but all they do is punt the ball.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Just look at the City of Staunton. 28% increase in Real Estate assessment. Current rate $.94
    to equalize rate should be $.74
    Rate adopted by Council $.90!

    Which of those Council members running for office had a plank of raising the Real Estate Tax rate by $.16?

    That is a Travesty...

    ReplyDelete
  8. Hey it costs a lot of money for lawyers when Staunton tries to steal houses, whoops I mean improve areas using eminent domain. And all the lawyers for denying home improvements in "historic" areas. And the fancy walkways and sidewalks, these are very very important and expensive. You extreme anti-government anti tax ideologues. Be thankful that you have a government that really cares in Staunton.Don't you know how much it costs to really really care?

    ReplyDelete
  9. Good day !.
    might , probably curious to know how one can reach 2000 per day of income .
    There is no initial capital needed You may start to get income with as small sum of money as 20-100 dollars.

    AimTrust is what you need
    The firm incorporates an offshore structure with advanced asset management technologies in production and delivery of pipes for oil and gas.

    Its head office is in Panama with offices everywhere: In USA, Canada, Cyprus.
    Do you want to become really rich in short time?
    That`s your chance That`s what you desire!

    I feel good, I started to take up income with the help of this company,
    and I invite you to do the same. If it gets down to choose a correct partner utilizes your savings in a right way - that`s AimTrust!.
    I take now up to 2G every day, and my first investment was 500 dollars only!
    It`s easy to join , just click this link http://vebagiha.uvoweb.net/obonyd.html
    and lucky you`re! Let`s take this option together to get rid of nastiness of the life

    ReplyDelete
  10. Hi there!
    I would like to burn a theme at this forum. There is such a thing, called HYIP, or High Yield Investment Program. It reminds of ponzy-like structure, but in rare cases one may happen to meet a company that really pays up to 2% daily not on invested money, but from real profits.

    For several years , I earn money with the help of these programs.
    I don't have problems with money now, but there are heights that must be conquered . I get now up to 2G a day , and my first investment was 500 dollars only.
    Right now, I managed to catch a guaranteed variant to make a sharp rise . Turn to my blog to get additional info.

    http://theinvestblog.com [url=http://theinvestblog.com]Online Investment Blog[/url]

    ReplyDelete
  11. buy tramadol mastercard tramadol pill identification 627 - buy tramadol topix

    ReplyDelete
  12. buy ativan online buy lorazepam online canada - ativan addiction treatment

    ReplyDelete
  13. where to buy tramadol online tramadol 50 mg 377 - tramadol ultram alcohol

    ReplyDelete
  14. ativan for anxiety ativan withdrawal how long last - ativan dosage dental

    ReplyDelete
  15. buy tramadol tramadol 50 mg dogs side effects - tramadol hcl nausea

    ReplyDelete
  16. ativan online uses drug ativan - lorazepam 1 mg tab

    ReplyDelete
  17. buy tramadol online cheap where to buy tramadol safely - ultram stronger than tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  18. buy tramadol no rx tramadol online canadian pharmacy - buy tramadol rx

    ReplyDelete
  19. klonopin pill klonopin overdose pupils - klonopin dosage .5

    ReplyDelete
  20. tramadol online buy tramadol usa - how easy to overdose on tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  21. tramadol online tramadol dosage chihuahua - tramadol dosage large dogs

    ReplyDelete
  22. buy klonopin online klonopin dosage equivalent - klonopin xr

    ReplyDelete
  23. lorazepam without prescription ativan vs valium - ativan dosage 0.25 mg

    ReplyDelete
  24. tramadol online no prescription tramadol generic for ultram - tramadol 50mg yahoo

    ReplyDelete
  25. where can i buy ambien online generic ambien 5 mg - ambien generic does not work

    ReplyDelete
  26. generic ambien buy ambien online in usa - buy ambien mexico

    ReplyDelete
  27. tramadol 100 mg tramadol trip - buy tramadol online in australia

    ReplyDelete
  28. can you buy tramadol online legally best way buy tramadol online - is it illegal to order ultram online

    ReplyDelete
  29. buy klonopin online klonopin urine drug test - klonopin social anxiety

    ReplyDelete
  30. online soma buy soma online next day delivery - the muscle relaxer soma

    ReplyDelete
  31. cheap clonazepam klonopin dosage xanax dosage - klonopin for driving anxiety

    ReplyDelete
  32. soma online salzarex generic soma - drug soma side effects

    ReplyDelete
  33. generic ambien ambien 6468 - ambien 6 hours sleep

    ReplyDelete
  34. buy ambien online buy cheap ambien no prescription - cheapest ambien online no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  35. buy tramadol overnight generic tramadol - buy tramadol online no prescription mastercard

    ReplyDelete
  36. soma online soma med spa - somo 650 user manual

    ReplyDelete
  37. buy ambien online overnight delivery cost ambien vs generic - ambien small white pill

    ReplyDelete
  38. buy tramadol mastercard buy tramadol without rx - buy tramadol no prescription cheap

    ReplyDelete
  39. buy tramadol online no prescription tramadol online american pharmacy - order tramadol online to florida

    ReplyDelete
  40. buy klonopin klonopin online fast - klonopin drug test erowid

    ReplyDelete
  41. buy tramadol no prescription overnight buy tramadol cash on delivery - tramadol 50 mg is equivalent to

    ReplyDelete
  42. tramadol 50 tramadol manufacturer - order tramadol online us pharmacy

    ReplyDelete
  43. buy ambien online cheap generic ambien online - ambien side effects headache

    ReplyDelete
  44. klonopin for anxiety klonopin for anxiety sleep - .5 klonopin and alcohol

    ReplyDelete
  45. soma no prescription what is soma muscle relaxer - soma

    ReplyDelete
  46. cheap lorazepam ativan liquid - ativan how fast does it work

    ReplyDelete
  47. generic ambien ambien cr is it addictive - ambien walrus hat

    ReplyDelete
  48. buy tramadol tramadol 50 mg reviews - tramadol hcl er 150

    ReplyDelete
  49. klonopin pills klonopin withdrawal plan - klonopin compared to xanax

    ReplyDelete
  50. soma cost soma san diego a day to remember - soma discount coupon codes

    ReplyDelete
  51. tramadol cheap buy tramadol with cod delivery - buy tramadol 50 mg

    ReplyDelete
  52. buy tramadol buy tramadol usa - g e tramadol hcl

    ReplyDelete
  53. klonopin 2mg klonopin memory loss - get really high klonopin

    ReplyDelete
  54. buy tramadol online cod ultram tramadol 100mg - signs of tramadol overdose

    ReplyDelete
  55. buy generic ambien ambien cr 12 - ambien insomnia side effect

    ReplyDelete
  56. buy tramadol cheap no prescription order tramadol online - tramadol hcl how much to get high

    ReplyDelete
  57. ambien for sale heath ledger ambien overdose - ambien wiki drug

    ReplyDelete
  58. buy viagra online tosh.0 viagra gay challenge - buy viagra johor

    ReplyDelete
  59. buy klonopin online klonopin 2 mg vs xanax 2mg - purchase klonopin online no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  60. buy tramadol online tramadol online fedex next day - buy generic tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  61. buy tramadol 100mg tramadol dosage recommendations - purchase cheap tramadol online

    ReplyDelete
  62. viagra online purchase viagra usa - can buy viagra vietnam

    ReplyDelete
  63. viagra online buy viagra south africa - order viagra in south africa

    ReplyDelete
  64. order klonopin online took 2mg klonopin - klonopin ocd

    ReplyDelete
  65. ambien online ambien side effects heartburn - illegal buy ambien online

    ReplyDelete
  66. generic ambien ambien drug use - ambien uds

    ReplyDelete
  67. buy klonopin online klonopin expiration - klonopin erowid snorting

    ReplyDelete
  68. tramadol online tramadol hcl gluten - illegal buy ultram online

    ReplyDelete
  69. soma cheap soma online pharmacy no prescription - soma muscle relaxant abuse

    ReplyDelete
  70. sildenafil citrate tablets buy viagra canada toronto - discount generic viagra online

    ReplyDelete
  71. order viagra viagra online purchase - buy viagra online melbourne

    ReplyDelete
  72. buy cheap klonopin klonopin 2.5 mg - klonopin recreational dose

    ReplyDelete
  73. buy ambien online ambien generic at walmart - ambien withdrawal help

    ReplyDelete
  74. can you buy tramadol online legally tramadol 50mg for dogs and humans - inurl forum buy cheap tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  75. order generic viagra online order viagra online canada no prescription - cheap generic viagra online review

    ReplyDelete
  76. soma online buy soma online - buy soma online no prescription overnight

    ReplyDelete
  77. ambien sleep 10mg ambien weed - ambience mall gurgaon bluo

    ReplyDelete
  78. where to order viagra order viagra+cialis canada - viagra' 88 keys

    ReplyDelete
  79. buy soma online soma bras san francisco - images of generic soma

    ReplyDelete
  80. buy viagra cheap viagra pills australia - does viagra work better than levitra

    ReplyDelete
  81. order viagra overnight viagra newsletter - buy viagra online ehow

    ReplyDelete
  82. tramadol online buy cheap tramadol mastercard - how to order tramadol online no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  83. order tramadol online side effects of tramadol 50 mg - buy tramadol capsules

    ReplyDelete
  84. buy viagra online buy viagra zimbabwe - buy viagra us pharmacy

    ReplyDelete
  85. order viagra online overnight generic viagra online fast delivery - viagra ebay

    ReplyDelete
  86. soma online soma drug coupon - soma carisoprodol no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  87. buy tramadol online without a prescription pet meds tramadol 50mg - can buy tramadol online legally

    ReplyDelete
  88. buy viagra cheap viagra online without prescriptions - buy cheap viagra online us

    ReplyDelete
  89. viagra buy viagra online lloyds pharmacy - buy viagra online abroad

    ReplyDelete
  90. viagra online generic viagra 50mg - buy viagra online eu

    ReplyDelete
  91. tramadol buy tramadol withdrawal tiredness - buy tramadol online overnight shipping

    ReplyDelete
  92. propecia pills propecia generic india - propecia side effects dry eyes

    ReplyDelete
  93. cheap viagra next day delivery order viagra online pharmacy - purchase viagra placebo

    ReplyDelete
  94. buy cialis cheap online cialis daily 5 mg - cialis online apotheke holland

    ReplyDelete
  95. propecia hair loss propecia for 6 years - propecia reviews side effects

    ReplyDelete
  96. cialis 20mg buy cialis online eu - generic cialis uk suppliers

    ReplyDelete
  97. order retin-a retin a cream strongest - retin a gel .25

    ReplyDelete
  98. buy viagra order viagra uk - buy viagra online with a mastercard

    ReplyDelete
  99. buy tramadol mastercard tramadol dosage osteoarthritis - tramadol generic ultram

    ReplyDelete
  100. cheap tramadol deal tramadol addiction - tramadol 200mg

    ReplyDelete
  101. tramadol overnight shipping tramadol for dogs versus humans - lethal dose tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  102. where to order viagra online viagra dosage much - viagra for women

    ReplyDelete
  103. propecia online propecia 90 day supply price - how to buy cheap propecia

    ReplyDelete
  104. buy retin-a online retin a cream before and after - retin-a cream yahoo answers

    ReplyDelete
  105. order finasteride propecia 2 year results - buy propecia men

    ReplyDelete
  106. buy tramadol online buy tramadol dogs usa - tramadol 100 mg injetavel

    ReplyDelete
  107. buy propecia generic propecia usa - generic propecia walmart

    ReplyDelete
  108. tramadol online cheapest tramadol online no prescription needed - tramadol 50 mg for anxiety

    ReplyDelete
  109. buy retin-a retin a micro how to apply - retin a micro redness

    ReplyDelete
  110. buy retin-a buy prescription retin a online - retin a wrinkles results

    ReplyDelete
  111. tramadol 50 mg soma tramadol high - tramadol buy no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  112. buy retin-a online buy retin a 0.05 online pharmacy - retin a micro pump vs. tube

    ReplyDelete
  113. buy tramadol cod tramadol hcl 200mg side effects - tramadol 200mg

    ReplyDelete
  114. buy tramadol tramadol high dosage - buy tramadol with paypal

    ReplyDelete
  115. tramadol online tramadol hcl 50 mg reviews - tramadol online no prescription cod

    ReplyDelete
  116. generic propecia propecia gyno - propecia proscar

    ReplyDelete
  117. buy tramadol tramadol 4od - tramadol urinary retention

    ReplyDelete
  118. buy retin-a retin a micro coupon - retin-a micro under eyes

    ReplyDelete
  119. buy tramadol no prescription overnight tramadol klonopin - tramadol 50mg does get you high

    ReplyDelete
  120. tramadol 50mg tramadol hcl and codeine - order tramadol cod next day delivery

    ReplyDelete
  121. buy tramadol tramadol 50mg tab amneal - buy tramadol with visa

    ReplyDelete
  122. propecia mg propecia goes generic - buy propecia singapore

    ReplyDelete
  123. buy tramadol online tramadol 377 dosage - tramadol online no prescription usa

    ReplyDelete
  124. propecia online cost rogaine propecia - generic propecia vs brand propecia

    ReplyDelete
  125. tramadol 100mg buy tramadol overnight delivery - buy tramadol online overnight fedex

    ReplyDelete
  126. buy tramadol tramadol dosage neuropathy - can you buy tramadol in greece

    ReplyDelete
  127. buy propecia online propecia generic online - buy original propecia online

    ReplyDelete
  128. buy retin a micro retin a cream side effects - retin a micro every other day

    ReplyDelete
  129. tramadol buy order tramadol online mastercard - order tramadol with free shipping

    ReplyDelete
  130. buy retin a cream retin a micro makeupalley - buy retin a cream

    ReplyDelete
  131. tramadol 50 mg tramadol ev 100 mg tablets - purchase tramadol 50mg

    ReplyDelete
  132. cheap generic viagra cheap viagra online us - viagra altitude sickness

    ReplyDelete
  133. buy tramadol buy tramadol online paypal - tramadol 50mg for toothache

    ReplyDelete
  134. order tramadol tramadol qt - tramadol dosage information

    ReplyDelete
  135. buy sildenafil buy viagra manila - order viagra and cialis

    ReplyDelete
  136. cheap viagra cheap viagra bulk - viagra for women men

    ReplyDelete
  137. buy generic cialis no prescription viagra cialis price comparison - buy genuine cialis online

    ReplyDelete
  138. buy cialis 40 mg cialis reviews - cialis daily mg

    ReplyDelete
  139. tramadol online pharmacy tramadol hydrochloride 50mg used - cheap tramadol cod delivery

    ReplyDelete
  140. viagra pills cheap viagra soft - viagra online 100mg

    ReplyDelete
  141. generic cialis generic cialis in canada - cialis online next day

    ReplyDelete
  142. tramadol online pharmacy buy ultram mastercard - order tramadol no rx

    ReplyDelete
  143. tadalafil tablets cialis online safe - buy cialis online yahoo

    ReplyDelete
  144. buy tramadol tramadol 50mg what is it for - buy tramadol

    ReplyDelete
  145. order viagra viagra for women 2011 - order generic viagra online overnight

    ReplyDelete
  146. buy tadalafil online cialis online united states - cialis online overnight delivery

    ReplyDelete
  147. tramadol online online-viagra-tramadol.com - tramadol acetaminophen high

    ReplyDelete
  148. buy cialis cialis online viagra - generic cialis reviews

    ReplyDelete
  149. tramadol 50 mg buy tramadol online uk cheap - tramadol dosage levels

    ReplyDelete
  150. viagra online without prescription viagra buy no prescription us - buy viagra sample pack

    ReplyDelete
  151. generic cialis cheap cialis from canada - cialis vs viagra buy online

    ReplyDelete
  152. generic viagra does viagra work if you are drunk - viagra from us is the best

    ReplyDelete
  153. cheap viagra buy generic viagra online us - safe way buy viagra online

    ReplyDelete
  154. buy generic viagra order viagra online mastercard - buy viagra paypal accepted

    ReplyDelete
  155. generic cialis cheap cialis canada online - price difference between cialis and viagra

    ReplyDelete
  156. generic cialis buy cialis drugstore - buy cialis 10mg

    ReplyDelete
  157. cheapest cialis buy cialis uk online - cialis online from canadian pharmacy

    ReplyDelete
  158. cialis cost cialis online pharmacy australia - how to buy cialis online in australia

    ReplyDelete
  159. generic cialis generic cialis online overnight - cialis online no rx

    ReplyDelete
  160. buy cheap soma buy generic soma no prescription - soma back pills

    ReplyDelete
  161. buy soma online soma bras ebay - soma san diego young the giant

    ReplyDelete
  162. buy cialis cialis or viagra - cialis 20 mg

    ReplyDelete
  163. buy tramadol online tramadol dosage for opiate withdrawal - tramadol ultram high

    ReplyDelete
  164. buy soma online safe place buy soma online - soma locations

    ReplyDelete
  165. buy cialis buy cialis montreal - cialis daily bph

    ReplyDelete
  166. order cialis online cialis how long - cialis price walmart pharmacy

    ReplyDelete
  167. buy soma online does soma drug test - salzarex generic soma

    ReplyDelete
  168. buy cialis coupon code for cialis - coupon for cialis daily

    ReplyDelete
  169. discount viagra purchase viagra karachi - buy viagra online us

    ReplyDelete
  170. buy cialis no prescription order cialis no prescription online - generic cialis us

    ReplyDelete
  171. buy soma generic soma side effects - online soma puzzle

    ReplyDelete
  172. soma buy soma cube online game - buy soma online

    ReplyDelete
  173. buy soma buy soma online in texas - soma quotes

    ReplyDelete
  174. soma medication soma drug detection time - soma catering costa rica

    ReplyDelete
  175. cheap soma soma 350 mg and alcohol - where to buy soma online

    ReplyDelete
  176. soma no prescription cheap soma no prescription overnight - aura soma 0

    ReplyDelete
  177. retin a creme retin-a johnson and johnson - retin a gel sun damage

    ReplyDelete
  178. discount soma soma medication online pharmacy - soma drug experiences

    ReplyDelete
  179. soma drug soma drug test facts - soma san diego tickets

    ReplyDelete
  180. retin a order online tretinoin retin-a .1 - retin a cream not working

    ReplyDelete
  181. buy tramadol tramadol prescription - tramadol hcl is this a narcotic

    ReplyDelete
  182. order tramadol online without prescription tramadol online no prescription - buy tramadol in florida

    ReplyDelete
  183. cheap tramadol is it legal to order tramadol over the internet - tramadol 50mg and xanax

    ReplyDelete
  184. buy tramadol cod overnight whats better tramadol ultram - tramadol 10mg high

    ReplyDelete
  185. buy tramadol cod online order tramadol no prescription - buy tramadol ampules

    ReplyDelete
  186. buy tramadol cod tramadol questions - tramadol online next day

    ReplyDelete
  187. buy retin-a online retin a micro buy - retin a cream prescription strength

    ReplyDelete
  188. cheap tramadol order tramadol online overnight - neurontin and tramadol high

    ReplyDelete
  189. buy tramadol overnight delivery tramadol hcl recreational use - best way buy tramadol online

    ReplyDelete
  190. buy retin a buy retin a no prescription - buy retin a micro gel no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  191. buy tramadol online no prescription cheap tramadol hcl reviews - tramadol hydrochloride 50 mg get high

    ReplyDelete
  192. can you buy tramadol online tramadol 714 - buy generic tramadol no prescription

    ReplyDelete
  193. tramadol online tramadol 50mg 319 - tramadol online overnight delivery

    ReplyDelete
  194. buy tramadol without a script buy tramadol for pet - tramadol online no prescription cod

    ReplyDelete
  195. buy tramadol online tramadol apap - order tramadol online usa

    ReplyDelete
  196. xanax online where to buy alprazolam no prescription - how long will 1mg xanax last

    ReplyDelete
  197. xanax online xanax dosage withdrawal - generic xanax pictures of pills

    ReplyDelete
  198. tramadol online can you buy tramadol over counter usa - . tramadol 100mg nebenwirkungen

    ReplyDelete
  199. carisoprodol 350 mg carisoprodol vs skelaxin - carisoprodol more drug_uses

    ReplyDelete